77 of 100: Forty verses that refute that Christ could have pre-existed

Emotionally we want Jesus to pre-exist but do scriptures really emphasise that Jesus was a spirit before his incarnation? Luke who wrote an gospel and the Acts of the apostle seems to be completely ignorant that Jesus was God or that he was a pre-existing spirit/angel that incarnated as Jesus.

1.] Luk 2:52 “And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.”

If the spirit of Jesus was wise to create the planets, then, who is this Jesus growing in wisdom?

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2.] Luk 23:46 Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” Having said this, he breathed his last.

Who died? Which Jesus died? The pre-spirit Jesus or the human Jesus?

If the “preexisting spirit” went back to the Father as is commonly supposed, then who went to the grave? Who died for your sins?

More confusingly Which Jesus died?
If the spirit that that the human Jesus gave to the Father was the spirit of Jesus who had lived millions of years previously, then did the pre-existing spirit escape death?

Some gnostics did believe the divine Jesus escaped the cross, hence the human Jesus cried out:
“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

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Was Jesus giving back:
a. The Holy spirit he received at baptism?
b. His spirit that he had incarnated into a spirit-man, returning the spirit part of him?
c. Or giving back his natural life back to God?

Consider Stephen’s last words:

“They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (Acts 7:59)

Consider David’s Psalm:

“For you are my rock and my fortress, therefore for your name’s sake lead me and guide me. Pluck me out of the net that they have laid secretly for me, for you are my stronghold. Into your hand I commend my spirit. You redeem me, Yahweh, God of truth.” (Psalms 31:3-5)

I.e. Faithful believers submitted their spirit or life into God’s hand.

Both Stephen and Jesus died with the same expression – examples of how men of faith rely on their God.

Do we posses a spirit? God’s spirit is the life breath in us that sustains us. It is the very life in us:

“Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; so his days will be one hundred twenty years.”” (Genesis 6:3)

Elihu expressed this concept thus: (The spirit in man = breath of the Almighty)

“But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.” (Job 32:8)

Solomon who wrote extensively about life observed:

“Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?” (Ecclesiastes 3:21)
“No man has power to retain the spirit, or power over the day of death. There is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it.” (Ecclesiastes 8:8)

I.e. The Spirit of God in man is the breath of life that was given to Adam to sustain life. God’s spirit in man is God’s life force or spirit. When man dies the life that God gives man returns to him.
So, clearly Jesus was not sending his human or a divine soul upto heaven but died in faith **trusting** that his God would raise him from the dead.

Let this be our expression of faith:

“for you are my stronghold. Into your hand I commend my spirit. You redeem me, Yahweh, God of truth.

The phrase “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” has immense significance for our salvation. Jesus is able to redeem us because of his ’trust’ and ‘faith’ in God. He is the true sacrifice, because, inspite of death, he trusted that God would resurrect him from death. His shed blood becomes significant for this reason (faith) and not that his blood was divine. Jesus’ blood was 100% human as only humans have blood, divine beings do not have blood.

Jesus, even though born in a special way, was still a mere man. He was not 1/2 God and 1/2 man being begotten of God and Mary. As Adam, the son of God, was 100% human, so also was Jesus, Adam’s descendent.

The principle of salvation is:

“If we suffer with him, we shall be glorified with him” (Romans 8:17).

Jesus suffered and has been glorified – given a name above every name. Was he given a name above every name because he was a pre-existent spirit or angel or a member of the trinity? Nay! He was glorified because of his reverent submission and trust:

Trust:

“Again, I will put my trust in him.” (Hebrews 2:13)

He was Saved him from death because of his godly fear: (YES , EVEN OUR SAVIOUR WAS SAVED TO SET A PATTERN FoR SALVATION)

“He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.” (Hebrews 5:7-10)

* Save him from death – Jesus could not redeem himself
* Heard for his godly fear – Jesus submitted his full life and will to his God, hence he was heard
* learned obedience by the things which he suffered – Jesus also learned and grew stronger through suffering
* the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest – It is on this basis “having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear” that he has been made the author of salvation and our high priest. As a priest (human priest), he leads us to God by his example.

Jesus’ sacrifice was not about the shedding of blood of a virgin man or a divine man or a spiritman, but the faith of a chosen man who obeyed without sin, hence his shed blood is precious. Theologians all over the world attack the real Jesus, claiming how a mere man can be sinless, but these people fall into the same reasoning as Job’s friends who tried to find fault with Job whom God had declared righteous. (Men have achieved great feats including landing on the moon etc, so also this Jesus who lived a sinless life as part of his calling.)

The author of our salvation was made perfect through sufferings:

“For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.” (Hebrews 2:10)

Christ our example:

Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps” (1 Peter 2:21).

If the Christ (Messiah/Anointed one) was an Godman or Spiritman or Angelman, then he cannot be a human like us. He belongs to a different species. When Zebra and Donkey crosses a Zonkey is begotten, neither Donkey nor zebra. All the gospels records, Acts and the apostles testify that Jesus was a man resurrected by God. We are explicitly taught that Jesus had no advantage either being 50% God/50% man or being a spirit-man or an Angel-man, but rather Jesus was a mere man or 100% man:

“Therefore he was obligated in **all things** to be made like his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.” (Hebrews 2:17)

3.] Eph 1:20 which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the **dead**, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,

If Jesus was a Spirit-man and he hands over the spirit to God death (refer to point 2), then who was resurrected?

  • Jesus the God/Spirit
  • Jesus the man

God ‘made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places’. For the first time in history, a glorified man has been made to be seated at the right hand of God.

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4.] “By faith, we understand that the universe has been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made out of things which are visible.”  (Hebrews 11:3)

It is believed that God created the Genesis world through Jesus i.e. Jesus was the agent of creation. If so, Who created/co-created Mary? Was Jesus Mary’s father in a sense because Eve was created in Jesus’ image?

If Adam was created in Jesus’ image, then Jesus is the author of the human race. If Jesus was personally responsible for creating the sun, moon and the stars, the animals and the human race, then technically he is Mary’s creator/father.

Did Mary address him as his ‘Father’?
Further who made Mary pregnant? The pre-existing spirit of Jesus during the process of “incarnation”?
So we find a strange relationship, Jesus is Father of Mary, then one who makes her pregnant and the one who becomes her son. This would be the Oneness Pentecostal view, trinitarians would take help from different members of the trinity to achieve the pregnancy of Jesus, Other pre-existing believing unitarians would say Jesus was made to incarnate by the holy spirit power.

Solution:

Joh 1:3 “All things were made [through or because of] him.”

YHWH God created all things “because” of Jesus and “for” Jesus.
There are two worlds – the Old and the new creation in Christ. Passages such as in Col 1 refers to the New creation.

Jesus himself acknowledges his Father God as the creator and not himself:

“He answered, “Haven’t you read that HE who made them from the beginning made them male and female,” (Matthew 19:4)

Notice he does not say “WE who made”

In another place Jesus states:

“For in those days there will be oppression, such as there has not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.” (Mark 13:19)

Lord God Yahweh claims to be the sole creator:

“Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb says: “I am Yahweh, who makes all things; **who alone** stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth **by myself;**” (Isaiah 44:24)

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5.] Mat 4:8-9 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory. He said to him, “I will give you all of these things, if you will fall down and worship me.”

If Jesus was the creator how come the devil did not know this fact and came up with a silly temptation of offering him the worlds he had himself created?

To which Jesus replied (according to spirit man theology):
Hey Devil, have you forgotten that I created all these things and I remember how I created all these things. Btw, have you forgotten I even created you. Then, how is it that you offer me the worlds that I have created. Can you please stop joking and come up with a better temptation?

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6.] Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Consider how christians who believe in a pre-existing christ have to read the above passage: “For the law was given through the pre-existing spirit Jesus. Grace and truth were realised through the Spiritman Jesus Christ.”

If Jesus gave the OT (for every time an angel of power shows up, they say “See, that is Jesus”), then what is the significance of the new testament?

We are told explicitly that only in the last days he has acted via his son and not prior to that:

Heb 1:2 “has at the **end of these days** spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things,”

7.] “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)

How many Jesus’ in heaven now? if the spirit Jesus obviously went ‘back’ to heaven, what about the man he inhabited – the one who ‘grew in wisdom’, ‘died’ and was ‘resurrected’ from the dead?

Have the spirit Jesus and the resurrected Jesus again united to form a dual-Jesus in heaven again?

Which Jesus is this?

Eph 1:20 which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the **dead**, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Since Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, he is the same human who was born, grew up to serve his God, died and was resurrected. It is the same Jesus who lived as a human being has been exalted and glorified.

There is only one Jesus – the human Jesus:

“Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.”  (Matthew 28:18)

When Jesus says “All authority has been given to me” – Who is me? The pre-spirit-Jesus, God the son, or the human Jesus born to Mary?

Act 2:36  “Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

There is only one Jesus ‘this Jesus whom you crucified’.

8.] “Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” (Hebrews 1:4)

Was not the preJeuss already better than angels? Why is he being made ‘better’ than angels? What is the point of making someone who is already better than angels better than angels?

Now no spirit being or angel or any heavenly being has the privilege of the man Jesus:

“But which of the angels has he told at any time, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet?”” (Hebrews 1:13)

The world to come has not been subject to any spirit being but to a human being:

“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.” (Hebrews 2:5)

If he already had the most excellent name, how does he **inherit** a more excellent name than they?

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9.] “Aren’t they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?” (Hebrews 1:14)

We are told the following about angels:

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” (Hebrews 1:7)

I.e. Serving spirits or mistering spirits are not human beings i.e. No heavenly being was chosen as a Messiah.

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?” (Hebrews 1:5)

I.e.
All heavenly beings are excluded and the glory is given to a human.

(JWs claim Jesus was a Micheal the Archangel in his previous avatar while some Unitarians claim that Jesus was a ‘spirit’ son before an incarnation)

10.] “But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hand” (Hebrews 2:6,7)

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.” (Hebrews 2:9)

Again we are told he was not a spirit being in the flesh – rather a human according to the promise made to Abraham:

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.” (Hebrews 2:16)

“What is man, that thou art mindful of him?”
Jesus was a man and still a glorified man.

“What is man, that thou art mindful of him?”
Jesus was never a spirit being but we are taught explicitly that he was a human being.

“thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hand” – This happened post his resurrection and that is the point of the gospel.

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels

If Jesus was “made” or created lower than the angels he cannot posses a ‘God’ or ‘angel’ nature. He can only be a man and having dual nature contradicts scriptures.

11.] “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath **anointed me** to preach the gospel to the poor,” (Luke 4:18)

Christ is a title of Jesus. Jesus is a name. Since, Jesus obtained the title ‘Christ’ during his human life, ‘Christ’ cannot pre-exist.

Christ means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Messiah.

“even Jesus of Nazareth, how God **anointed him** with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.” (Acts 10:38)

The “Christ” never pre-existed.

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12.] “For if the word spoken **by angels** was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;” (Hebrews 2:2-3)

JESUS WAS NOT PRESENT WHEN THE OLD COVENANT WAS GIVEN, ONLY ANGELS WERE PRESENT.

Unfortunately,  Christians are unwilling to consider passages like the above because they have been taught contrary for centuries.

Here we see another angel bearing God’s name. Stephen speaks of this event thus:

And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, (Acts 7:30-31 KJV)

According to Stephen this Angel was to be Moses’ deliverer:

This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. (Acts 7:35 KJV)

 

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Further, it was an Angel who spoke at Mt. Sinai too and delivered the law:

This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.’ This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us. (Acts 7:37-38 ESV)

Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”(Acts 7:52-53 ESV)

It is very obvious from both the old and new testament narratives that God worked though angels in the old covenant and through the son mediated only in the end of days.

“God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son”  (Hebrews 1:1-2)

Further reading:

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13.] “But now you seek to kill me, **A MAN** who has told you the truth,” (John 8:40)

Was Jesus dual natured – Spirit and man? Do you think the spirit Jesus and the lesser human Jesus spoke to each other? Exchanged notes? Do you think they still talk to each other in heaven since both are now spirit beings.

Taking the path of dual nature for Jesus only creates confusion. How simple is the truth – Jesus testified of himself:

“But now you seek to kill me, **A MAN** who has told you the truth,” (John 8:40)

When the apostles preached (as recorded in Acts) they did not think of Jesus as a dual natured species rather – Jesus of Nazareth, **a MAN** approved by God:

““Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him among you, even as you yourselves know,” (Acts 2:22)

The MAN whom he has ordained:

“because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the **man** whom HE has ordained; of which he has given assurance to all men, in that HE has raised him from the dead.”” (Acts 17:31)

Through this MAN is proclaimed to you remission of sins:

“Be it known to you therefore, brothers, that through **this man** is proclaimed to you remission of sins,” (Acts 13:38)

DUAL NATURE MAKES JESUS LIKE A LEGION MAN – “WE ARE TWO”

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14.] Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form like a dove on him; and a voice came out of the sky, saying “You are my beloved Son. In you I am well pleased.”

Did the Father think he has been a beloved son since eternity or was referring to his earthly life. Was he pleased with the human Jesus or the spirit Jesus? There is a constant conflict that an ‘imagined’ ‘spirit’ Jesus is the real Jesus. The Father however commended the human Jesus, being pleased with him from his birth.

Compare with this prophecy of the ‘coming Messiah’:

““Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delightsI have put my Spirit on him. He will bring justice to the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1)

For the trinitarian: Does one God of the trinity chose another God of the trinity and delights in him?

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15.] “Behold, you will conceive in your womb, and give birth to a son, and will call his name ‘Jesus.’” (Luke 1:31)

His birth was not an incarnation or fusing of a spirit Jesus with a human fetes. Luke is completely ignorant of such concepts:
i] This is the first time he would be known as ‘Jesus’ as this is when he comes into existence.
ii] “will be called the Son of the Most High” – Future tense. I.e. Jesus will be called the son of the Most high on account of his birth. He was not a son before this point in time.
iii] “you will conceive in your womb, and give birth to a son” – The Messiah was born or came into existence i.e. he did not incarnate.

16.] “I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.” (Revelation 1:17-18)

Only a human could say he was dead and is alive for ever. He was not alive forever prior to this point. Jesus was raised from his dead state and granted eternal life.

“I am alive forever“ – Jesus was granted eternal life.

Jesus stated his source of eternal life is his Father and that he received this from his Father:

“For as the Father has life in himself, even so he gave to the Son also to have life in himself.” (John 5:26)

Note how this is explained in Hebrews:

“though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation,” (Hebrews 5:8-9)
I.e. “he became” or he attained this state as a result of his obedient life.

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Jesus being a human also needed to be saved first, so he becomes a pattern of salvation for others:

“He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death**, and having been heard for his godly fear,” (Hebrews 5:7)

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“From that time, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up.”  (Matthew 16:21)

For a trinitarian the question posed is:

a. Who died? God/Spirit or man?

b. Who was resurrected? God/Spirit or man?

c. Who suffered? God/Spirit or man?

Resurrection is a core teaching of the New covenant and it began with Jesus being resurrected. If there is only one human Jesus (not Godman or spiritman) and he died and was raised by Yahweh his God, then we get the gospel as preached in the Acts and the epistles:

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Peter, Paul and the apostles and not doubt that it was Yahweh God had raised him from the dead. However, trinitarian Christians cast their doubts on the above interpretation of so many verses by counter ‘misquoting’ Jesus:

“No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”  (John 10:18)

John records the enigmatic sayings of Jesus if read literally leads to an incorrect understanding of the real Jesus.

They miss an important inclusion in Jesus’ statement:

“I received this commandment from my Father”

I.e. Jesus is consistent with his true self that he is a mere human and depends on his God to raise him.

In John we find this consistent theme of Jesus denying any form of Godman theology:

Joh 5:30  I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don’t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.

Joh 5:19  Jesus therefore answered them, “Most certainly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing.

Joh 8:28  Jesus therefore said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I say these things.

So the words of Jesus have to be interpreted in the right context:

a. The way the apostles interpreted

b. Other sayings of Jesus.

More importantly, Jesus died – his human self (body and soul) that was reconstructed and brought back to life at the resurrection by Yahweh his God.

The saying: “I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.” is an expression of Jesus’ faith and not divinity!

Consider the spiritual influence of the resurrection on the believers life:

Col 3:1  If then you were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God.

Col 2:12  having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

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17.] “As he says also in another place, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”” (Hebrews 5:6)

Why is the resurrected spirit of Jesus made a priest after the order of Melchizedek if he was the ’spirt’ through whom the human race was created and the one instituting temple practices?

18.] “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,” (Luke 1:32)

i) ‘He will be great” – How great? Greater than what he was before the incarnation?

– Prophecy and future. Jesus was not a spirit or God in heaven who desires to inherit the throne of his father David.

ii) “The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,” – Why does the pre spirit of Christ want to sit on the throne of his ‘father’ David if the pre spirit of Christ was directing David to sit on the throne of a human King David?

19.] “Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;” (Philippians 2:9)

If he was already second or co-equal with God what sense does to make to mention his “pre-existing state” as a reward?

This only makes sense if this is the first time he should be rewarded. According to Paul, this is the first time he is rewarded. “Therefore God also highly exalted him”.

This is a great reward if this happened for the first time in Jesus’ life and if eh enters heaven for the first time:

“who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers being made subject to him.” (1 Peter 3:22)

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20.] “how the Christ must suffer, and how, by the resurrection of the dead, he would be first to proclaim light both to these people and to the Gentiles.” (Acts 26:23)

Jesus suffered and was then glorified. The gospel message is changed if we add one more confusing detail to the story, that he was glorified, incarnated, suffered and was glorified again.

Jesus himself explains;

“He said to them, “Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?”
Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.” (Luk 24:25-27)

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21.] “who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,”  (Philippians 2:6)

This verse is commonly misinterpreted, for the verse speaks of his human state and not his ‘pre-spirit’ state.

Context:

Phil 2:5 “Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,”

We see the an important theme of the New covenant – Jesus is our example. How can he be an example to us if the following is talking about an ‘incarnation’ which is out of the reach of humans?

i. existing in the ‘form’ of God – Not existing as God himself but taking a certain ‘form’ of God:

Jesus did not exist in the heavens as a form of God but rather he was given the spirit without measure and therefore **existed in the form of God** when he wrought mighty miracles.

We should contrast Jesus with Adam and Eve who sought to be like God through the deception of the serpent and contrast that with Jesus’ attitude.

*[[Gen 3:5]] “for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be **like God**, knowing good and evil.”

I.e Adam desired to be like God or **sought equality with God** and fell.

But, when Jesus (not a spiritman) was made a similar offer by the devil:

“I will give you all of these things, if you will fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Get behind me, Satan!

Jesus rejected the offer when he replied:

For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and you shall serve him only.’”” (Matthew 4:9-10)

Here we see Jesus overcoming his temptation to rule the world before his time. Therefore, we see great humility in the one loved much by God. For we see a very similar attitude from Moses whom God glorified above his peers.

Let us contrast Jesus’s attitude with that of Nebuchadnezzar’s boasting who saw himself as a God:

[[Dan 4:30]] “The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of **my** majesty?”

ii. “but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant,”

Jesus, we find though he was the Messiah, did not live in a palace, but rather took on a life of poverty and served others. We find similar zeal in Moses and the prophets too.
“emptied himself” of what? Divinity? No! He emptied himself of being the destined king before his time but committed his life to a servant and served others. Though destined to be a king he allowed himself to humiliated and rejected. We are also destined to be glorified in God’s kingdom, we we can only be in that kingdom if we share in Jesus’ attitude.
The story of salvation is Not how a spirit being sacrificed himself in heaven to possess a dummy human body, but, how a mere man achieved the whole will of God.

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Jesus “didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped” – He never tried to be God but rather submitted to God.

22.] “For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example, that you should follow his steps,” (1 Peter 2:21)

The exemplary role of Jesus is significantly undermined if he was a spiritman hence out of human reach

Jesus’ exemplary life and faith makes sense if he was a human like us. But if he was spiritman unlike us, then we do not have to follow his example. He becomes a theoretical example and not one of practice.

Jesus said:

“He said to all, “If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.” (Luke 9:23)

Paul testified:

“Be imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Stephen followed in Jesus’ words:

“He kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, “Lord, don’t hold this sin against them!” When he had said this, he fell asleep.” (Acts 7:60)

Paul exhorted:

“Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,” (Philippians 2:5)

How can one have the mind of the spiritman?

Peter exhorted:

“For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example, that you should follow his steps,” (1 Peter 2:21)

Popular theories of atonement is based on substitution, representation, etc. but the most powerful teaching of why all things are created in Christ under the new covenant is because Christ is our supreme example and teacher.

23.] Mat 21:37 “But last of all he sent unto them his son,”

If Jesus pre-existed, why is he missing in the old testament narratives? Moses or the prophets were unaware of him. They neither worshiped him nor prayed to him or through him, but only wrote of him as a prophecy.

We are taught explicitly Jesus came only in the end:

Heb 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,”
Mat 21:37 “But last of all he sent unto them his son,”

A search of the old testament scriptures, reveals that Jesus is missing in the Old testament as a person but only exists as a prophecy, i.e. that he would come to existence at a future time. The hope of the Messiah was that a Messiah would be born at a future age and save the people from their troubles.

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24.] Heb 5:5 So also Christ didn’t glorify himself to be made a high priest, but it was he who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father.”

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

This is a prophecy (future event) regarding the Messiah. For instance in the next verse we find God (YHWH) telling Jesus:

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession

This is a verse that clearly shows the hierarchy that the Father is the one who authorizes what Jesus can have. The Father loved the son so much that he gave him all authority and gave him his own throne as an inheritance. Verse 8 shows the son’s rulership after his ascension.

In the context of the second Psalm, for a Jew to read it (Before Jesus was born), who had no knowledge of an ‘existing’ Messiah in heaven or on earth this would all be future.

Interpreting prophecies in their right context

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which he promised afore through his prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; even Jesus Christ our Lord,” (Romans 1:1-4 ASV)

Jesus was eternally begotten of God from the dead on the day of his resurrection. Jesus was not eternally begotten before time or before his human birth.

If Jesus was not raised from the dead he would have ceased to exist and the relationship in the real world would have ended. In fact, for three days he ceased to exist, but as per prophecy and the will of God his body did not see decay and he was raised to be the son of God for eternity. If not for resurrection Jesus would be dead for ever.

And when they had carried out all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead, and for many days he appeared to those who had come up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people. And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.‘ And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he has spoken in this way, “‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.’ Therefore he says also in another psalm, “‘You will not let your Holy One see corruption.’ For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep and was laid with his fathers and saw corruption, but he whom God raised up did not see corruption. Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through THIS MAN forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.(Acts 13:29-39 ESV)

Notice Paul’s argument: David has not taken off to heaven (body or soul), but still lies in a decayed state in his grave: ‘For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep and was laid with his fathers and saw corruption, but he whom God raised up did not see corruption’. Again he connects the fulfilment of the begetting to the resurrection.

today I have begotten you.‘ And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he has spoken in this way,

“Today I have become your father” i.e. on the day of resurrection (the emphasis of the prophecy)

Jesus was the the only begotten of God through Mary and therefore declared holy son of God but was mortal and a descendent of David, but eternally begotten of God from the dead on the day of his resurrection.

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25.] Rom 8:3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh;

It is often believed by most Christians that Jesus was born free of Adam’s fallen nature, but Paul explicitly teaches us the opposite, that, Jesus shared in the sin prone nature of humans. The point being made is that he however conquered the temptations in his flesh, even though he was tested to the point of death.

A spiritman or Godman theology grossly undermines who the real Jesus was:

“For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin.”  (Hebrews 4:15)

Jesus had no advantage over the children of Adam, but he himself was a son of Adam:

Jesus’ example leads or motivates us to walk in righteousness even a he did:

“So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.”  (Romans 8:12-13)

“he condemned sin in the flesh” – The atoning work of Jesus was that he overcame his flesh being of the Adamic/human race.

“Therefore he was obligated in all things to be made like his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people.”  (Hebrews 2:17)

Salvation is based on the fact that Jesus was human, not a Godman or Spirit-man or God-incarnate man.

26.] “Be it known to you therefore, brothers, that through this **MAN** is proclaimed to you remission of sins,”  (Acts 13:38)

Paul teaches that remission is proclaimed through a man (No a Godman or Spirit-man). Christians have been taught from early childhood to believe God (a member of the trinity) took on human flesh to die for their sins. Hence, it is assumed that for salvation to hold a form of substitution is required by God himself.

Acts 13:38 shows this assumption is not founded on scriptures. Scriptures teach that salvation has come by a member of a human race:

God exalted him with his right hand to be a Prince and a Savior, to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins.”  (Acts 5:31)

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God raised Moses (a mere man) to lead his chosen people from the bonds of slavery to freedom, likewise God has raised another son of Adam to lead the children of Adam from the bonds of sin to eternal life.

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27.] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,

This is read by most Christians as

“In the beginning was Jesus”

Issues:

i] Jesus was the name given to Jesus at his birth and there is no reference of ‘Jesus’ in the Old testament teachings.

“She shall give birth to a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins.”  (Matthew 1:21)

ii] Christ is a title and not a name. Christ (Greek) or Messiah (Hebrew) means anointed one. He was not anointed in heaven but when he lived on earth.

Act 4:27  “For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together

Act 10:38  even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Heb 1:9  You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”

iii] John is is trying to establish a relationship between God’s word or will or divine purpose to the coming of the existence of his son. We are explicitly being taught in John’s introduction that Jesus existed as God’s word and not as a spirit being “In the beginning was the word of God”.

iv] “The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.”  (John 1:14)

How did Jesus exist before he came into existence? Jesus was part of DIVINE will or purpose of God expressed as ‘logos’. This logos (not a member of trinity or an angel or spirit-son) was made flesh – the will of God was realised in a human being when that human came into existence.

“The Word became flesh” is assumed to be an incarnation even though the bible does not use such concepts or terms. The correct biblical term is ‘raised up’ or to bring into existence.

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Interpreting John 1:john 1_1 logos word bill feedback version

Contrasting John’s personification of the logos to Solomon’s personification of wisdom:john 1_1 pre exist logos wisdom sophia sister

v] ‘and the word was God”

How was the word of God – God?

Jesus himself explains:

“Jesus answered them, “Isn’t it written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods?’

If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture can’t be broken),”  (John 10:34-35)

I.e. Jesus is ‘god’ in the sense that he received the word of God and that he was the very word of God (Divine will of God) that was manifested in flesh as an example for us. Jesus we find always worshipped the God of Israel. Yahweh God was Jesus’ saviour.

28.] Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Mathew traces Jesus’ origin to David and Abraham, the key people whom God gave the promise of the coming Messiah:

Gal 3:16  Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. He doesn’t say, “To descendants”, as of many, but as of one, “To your offspring”, which is Christ.

Act 13:22,23  When he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king, to whom he also testified, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after my heart, who will do all my will.’ From this man’s offspring, God has brought salvation to Israel according to his promise,

Act 2:30  Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, he would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

Abraham and David were great men of faith and through their line Jesus was to be born. The promise of the anointed one was to be human and not a Spiritman.

Though Jesus was born through Mary, his genealogy is traced through Joseph:

“Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,”  (Luke 3:23-24)

“Eliud became the father of Eleazar. Eleazar became the father of Matthan. Matthan became the father of Jacob. Jacob became the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, from whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”  (Matthew 1:15-16)

The emphasis of the gospel message is that he was the promised son of David who would sit on the throne of his ‘father’ David;

Luk 1:32  He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,

Other references to the ‘son of David’:

Mat 9:27  As Jesus passed by from there, two blind men followed him, calling out and saying, “Have mercy on us, son of David!”

Mar 10:47  When he heard that it was Jesus the Nazarene, he began to cry out, and say, “Jesus, you son of David, have mercy on me!”

Luk 18:39  Those who led the way rebuked him, that he should be quiet; but he cried out all the more, “You son of David, have mercy on me!”

Joh 7:42  Hasn’t the Scripture said that the Christ comes of the offspring of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?”

Psalms 110:1 is often misinterpreted as shown below:

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This grand genealogy or lineage of the Christ was prophesied by Micah:

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, being small among the clans of Judah, out of you one will come out to me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings out are from of old, from ancient times.”  (Micah 5:2)

Unfortunately, many translations translate ‘ancient times‘ as ‘everlasting’.

Other translations:

(The New English Bible): “One whose roots are far back in the past, in days gone by.”
(Moffatt Bible): “One whose origin is of old, of long descent.”
(YLT): And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth—to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth are of old, From the days of antiquity.
(CEV) Bethlehem Ephrath, you are one of the smallest towns in the nation of Judah. But the LORD will choose one of your people to rule the nation— someone whose family goes back to ancient times.
(GNB) The LORD says, “Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are one of the smallest towns in Judah, but out of you I will bring a ruler for Israel, whose family line goes back to ancient times.

This was a prophecy of the coming Messiah that God will raise up from ‘Bethlehem’ whose family descent will be significant:

“Out of you I WILL bring a ruler for Israel”

The most significant rule in the history of Israel (and Judah) was King David’s rule. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy because he was born in Bethlehem and was of the line of David.

From YLT translation:

“his comings forth are of old, From the days of antiquity

Let us consider the two words:

1. of Old
2. days of antiquity

1.
The Hebrew word translated as days of antiquity (also translated as eternity/long descent) is ‛ôlâm

Within the context of Micah this word is used thus with respect to timeline:

“Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of OLD (‛ôlâm).” (Micah 7:14, KJV)

We observe above that ‘Olam’ does not have to mean eternity past but could also mean anything that occurred around 1000 years old.

Here are a couple of other examples:
a.

“In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of OLD (‛ôlâm);” (Amos 9:11)

b.

“Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of OLD (‛ôlâm), and as in ancient years.” (Malachi 3:4)

2.
The Hebrew word translated as ‘his comings forth are of OLD’ (YLT) is “qedem”

Within the context of Micah this word is used thus with respect to timelines:

“Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of OLD(qedem).” (Micah 7:20)

Here are a couple of other examples:
a.

“God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of OLD(qedem). Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.” (Psalms 55:19, KJV)

b.

“Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.” (Lamentations 5:21, KJV)

Here again ‘old’ need not imply eternity past but of days of antiquity.

The coming Messiah’s origin is traced to Abraham the Father of Faith and to King David a man after God’s own heart.

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29.] “Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from among you, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.”  (Deuteronomy 18:15)

One of Jesus’ role was that of a prophet. Moses prophesied that his nature would be like his brothers. He would be greater than Moses but he would one of them (A Hebrew). This prophecy gives no room for theologies such as: ‘hypostatic union’ or ‘God man’ or ‘Spirit man’ (nor can it be applied to prophet Mohammad who was not a Hebrew).

Jesus was ‘raised up’ to existence as a 100% human being! The people also accepted Jesus as their prophet on numerous occasions:

Prophet Who is Jesus preexistence incarnation human

More on the nature of Jesus:

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30.] “He also gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man.”  (John 5:27)

i] He also gave him authority

Jesus was given authority because he had no authority of his own!

ii] because he is a son of man

Not because he was an incarnated God or Spiritman, but because Jesus was a human being i.e. son of man or son of Adam.

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THE APOSTLES WITNESSED ABOUT A GLORIFIED JEWISH MAN, JESUS

31] “He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear,”  (Hebrews 5:7)

“with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death” – Since, Jesus was mortal, he himself needed to be saved. Yahweh God was his saviour.

Jesus as a human himself had faith. If Jesus were a Godman or spiritman, then his faith is meaningless. What does faith even mean to a spirit who was an agent of creation of the entire universe?

We are told Jesus had hope (as humans have):

Heb 12:2  looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

“Joy set before him” – What does this mean? Jesus was able to endure the cross because trusted his God would resurrect and glorify him.

How should Jesus’ hope impact our lives? Jesus as our brother serves as our example of hope:

“For consider him who has endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, that you don’t grow weary, fainting in your souls. You have not yet resisted to blood, striving against sin;”  (Hebrews 12:3-4)

Spiritman/Godman theories fail when we consider how the human and historical Jesus himself needed to be saved:

  1. Needed to be saved

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2. He trusted God throughout his life and that his God would deliver him from death

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3. Jesus confessed faithfully giving all glory to his God, that of his own he could do nothing:jesus denies hypostatic nature

4. Let the human Jesus whom God exalted be our example and saviour:

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32.] “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all; the testimony in its own times;”  (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

Most Christians believe it is not possible for a human to be a mediator between God and man, yet we are explicitly taught the contrary:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Not a Godman or a spiritman but a man Jesus who possessed a single nature and gave himself as a ransom for all.

33.] “They are not of the world even as I am not of the world.”  (John 17:16)

If the above is read literally, one would conclude that Jesus and his apostles probably came from a different planet or more specifically incarnated from heaven. But Jesus explains how this works:

“If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”  (John 15:19)

The goal of Christianity is to forsake the world and seek the kingdom of God. John explains this concept further:

You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.”  (1 John 4:4-5)

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn’t the Father’s, but is the world’s. The world is passing away with its lusts, but he who does God’s will remains forever.”  (1 John 2:16-17)

Not of this world – implies from heaven, not literally but spiritually. God is in heaven and therefore we seek heavenly/spiritual things as opposed to the passions of this world.

“Don’t be deceived! “Evil companionships corrupt good morals.Wake up righteously, and don’t sin, for some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.”  (1 Corinthians 15:33-34)

There is always tension between the earthly and heavenly (spiritual):

“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.”  (John 15:18)

“I have given them your word. The world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that you would take them from the world, but that you would keep them from the evil one.”  (John 17:14-15)

There is hope, John wrote to a church thus:

You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.”  (1 John 4:4-5)

JUST AS Jesus was ‘not of the world’, so also let us not be part of this world. Jesus did not incarnate but spoke spiritually:

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34.] “because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the MAN whom he has ordained; of which he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.””  (Acts 17:31)

It is the human resurrected Jesus whom God will use to judge the world.

He (Lord God Yahweh) will judge the world in righteousness by the MAN whom he has ordained

Jesus confessed:

Joh 5:30  I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don’t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.

35.] “For as through the one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one, many will be made righteous.” (Rom 5:19)

Contrast between

  • the men Adam and Jesus
  • Disobedience and obedience

Obedience of a Godman or spiritman negates the purpose of salvation through the example of the man Jesus. The core salvation message is the obedience of man Jesus.

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36.] “For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.”  (1 Corinthians 15:21)

Again, scriptures are clear why Jesus was a man and nothing but a man. In fact the above verse clearly states the logic that a man is required for salvation to reverse the work of another man. Not an angel, not a spiritman, not God, but a man with the support of his God.

The man Jesus then sets the pattern of salvation, he himself being the first to be raised:

“For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.”  (1 Corinthians 15:22-23)

37.] “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.”  (1 Corinthians 15:47-48)

This verse shows that Jesus was/is a man and not a Godman or spiritman as he is explicitly called the “second man”.

1 Corinthians 15 clearly shows Jesus was a man, a man who came after Adam and reversed the effects of death and corruption caused by the first man:

  • 1Co 15:21  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
  • 1Co 15:45  So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
  • 1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

The first Adam and second Adam are contrasted in terms of resurrection not in terms of incarnation. Both are Adams (men) nonetheless. Both were mortals and both died!

The above verse has been put forth as proof text for Jesus’ pre-existence due a corruption that occurred in manuscript transmission. This verse quoted from the Revised Version (RV), is different from the one in KJV:

(RV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

(KJV)  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Clearly there is a textual variation in the manuscripts referenced.

(ASV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

The ‘Popular New testament’ trinitarian commentary has this footnote:

“The Lord,” in the received text of this verse, is plainly an addition to the true text; and the remarks above will shew, we think, that it is not wanted.

Variation such as above are the work of scribes who attempt to wrest the original text by skewing it towards their own false beliefs.

The reference here is not to the properties of Christ’s flesh in his pre-incarnate state that was passed through via the virgin, but to the properties of his resurrected state as is plain from what follows:

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

The context of the chapter is resurrection and not incarnation:

  • Jesus himself was earthly before he attained the resurrection.
  • As Jesus attained a heavenly body we shall also obtain one.
  • The sequence laid out is that, first the natural occurs, then the spiritual.

Let us re-read the verse in context:

1Co 15:20  But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep.

1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Context is resurrection

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Jesus has now ‘become’ a life-giving spirit. This occurred post his resurrection.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.

The order of resurrection is that first the natural should occur, then the spiritual.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.

Notice both are men, hence both have to start as earthly. The second man has attained resurrection, and hence is ‘now’ of heaven for he ‘became a life-giving spirit’. Again, the context is not incarnation but resurrection and the contrast is between the first Adam who is in a dead state (awaiting the resurrection) and the second Adam who is ‘of heaven’ due to his resurrection. The first and second man, both had earthly bodies and both died.

Heb 2:17  Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren

The above is interpreted as:

“the second man [who post his resurrection] is of heaven [possessing a spiritual body]

[Note this phrase is different from Jesus’ saying as recorded in John’s gospel when he stated ‘he came down from heaven’. In that context he means he is ‘the authorised man of Heaven’. Jesus was sent by God – not meaning literally jumped down from heaven, rather that he was consecrated from birth to do the will of his Father in heaven.]

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Here we could be either earthly or heavenly. How is that possible? Is it talking of a class of people who incarnated? No, the context is resurrection – we the faithful ones though presently earthly will bear the image of the heavenly one. The heavenly one is the second Adam who was born mortal and died and has become the man of heaven. The hope of resurrection is that we seek to put on the heavenly body like that of Jesus.

“From the first Adam, we all are made of dust, but from the last Adam we can be made heavenly. For believers, the promise is sure: we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.” – David Guzik commentary

Jesus was begotten from the grave to become the man of heaven:

Psa 2:7 Yahweh said to me, “You are my son. Today I have become your father.

38.] “And hath raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David”  (Luke 1:69)

Zechariah’s Prophecy:

Luk 1:67  His father, Zacharias, was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luk 1:68  “Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people;

Luk 1:69  and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David

Luk 1:70  (as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets who have been from of old),

Luk 1:71  salvation from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us;

The Lord, the God of Israel ‘raised up’ a horn of salvation for us. ‘Raised up’ and not ‘God incarnation’ or ‘pre-spirit Jesus incarnated’. Raised up implies bringing into existence.

The prophecy of God raising a prophet was fulfilled when Jesus was born:

Deu 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

It is interesting that the coming prophet would be like Moses – no incarnation taught.

God by his foreknowledge and pre-determination is able to foretell the future.
Thus scripturally speaking, we expect, one whom the God of Israel would “raise up” as Israel’s saviour.
This concept of God raising up should not be misunderstood as an ‘incarnation’’.

“Raise up” – can happen naturally in the course of history:
Consider the following example:

Deuteronomy 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder”

“Raise up” – can happen by divine will and appointment:
Consider the following example:

Amos 2:11 “And I raised up some of your sons for prophets, and some of your young men for Nazirites. Is it not indeed so, O people of Israel?” declares the LORD.”

Raising up of Jeremiah:

Jer 1:4 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Prophets were God chosen and ordained by his divine direction and purpose. Jesus is the supreme prophet as a begotten son.

God told Pharaoh:

Exo 9:16 “But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.”

So then God raising up depends not on human will or exertion, but on God’s when he raises up a son. Incarnation is foreign in scriptures and originated from GreekoRoman Christians.

Peter preached the same concept thus:

God, having raised up his servant Jesus, sent him to you first to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your wickedness.”  (Acts 3:26)

39.] “Now Yahweh says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, and to gather Israel to him, for I am honorable in Yahweh’s eyes, and my God has become my strength.”  (Isaiah 49:5)

The above verse outright denies

a.] Jesus could have pre-existed

b.] Jesus was an incarnated God

“he who formed me from the womb to be his servant” I.e. Jesus came into existence from his Mother’s womb and was a created being.

Prophecies such as Isaiah 49:5 are suppressed and never taught for they contradict tradition.

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40.] “But you brought me out of the womb. You made me trust while at my mother’s breasts.”  (Psalms 22:9)

Jesus’ origin was his mother’s womb, but the point of this prophecy is that he was brought forth as a specially chosen one who trusted in his God from his mother’s womb:

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Summary

There is no reason to believe in a Pre-Spirit-Jesus to inhabitate a human body for salvation to occur. There is no need for the ONE God to become three-in-one and then one of its members residing a human body to redeem man by his death. Yahweh God is the author of salvation and he has achieved it though his human son Jesus. Yahweh God is a merciful and forgiving God and does not require the blood of a God or man to forgive. Forgiveness occurs because of the obedience of human who serves as an example for his brothers.

Jesus loved and obeyed his God, Jesus trusted his God, Jesus died believing that his God would raise him up. All authority has been given to one Jewish man who once walked the earth mortal and has now been granted immortality.

Also checkout:

69 of 100: Reasons why Christ did not Pre-exist his birth

71 of 100: On the Glory of the Christ before the world was (John 17)

72 of 100: The Apostles’ Glory with the Father before the world was and the Book of Life

70 of 100: Did the Christ pre-exist? Examining the Gospel of John (Ch 1-6)

76 of 100: On “For in him were all things created” – Col 1:16

53 of 100: Who created the universe? – The Father created the universe and begot his son

70 of 100: Did the Christ pre-exist? Examining the Gospel of John (Ch 1-6)

52 of 100: On: John 8:58 Before Abraham was, I am

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