67 of 100: Thomas’ confession – My Lord, My God

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The prophecy in Isaiah was that Jesus would be a might Elohim. This was a prophecy – meaning he would acquire this title.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Also See: 58 of 100: How is Jesus the Everlasting Father? (Isa 9:6).

The title of Elohim was not unique to YHWH in the scriptures. It was shared by people who represented him.

See this post on more details on this concept:

The mighty God( H410 ) – Definition

The Hebrew for God here is ‘êl

H410   (Strong)

אֵל

‘êl

ale

Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): – God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

Notice how this word also used in the following contexts:

Laban to Jacob

It is in the power (H410) of my hand to do you hurt: but the God of your father spake unto me yesternight, saying, Take thou heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad. (Gen 31:29)

The Song of Moses

Who is like you, Yahweh, among the gods(H410)? (Exo 15:11)

Curses for Disobedience

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might(H410) in thine hand. (Deu 28:32)

The Downfall of Abimelech

And when all the men of the tower of Shechem heard that, they entered into an hold of the house of the god(H410) Berith. (Jdg 9:46)

Messiah’s psalm

My God, H410  my God, H410  why H4100  hast thou forsaken  me? (Psa 22:1)

That is the Messiah would be a mighty God but he himself worshiped the Mightiest or Almighty God – The God of Gods.

Praises

Psa 36:6  Thy righteousness  is like the greatH410  mountains;

Jesus as a mighty God

1. Psa 82:1  A Psalm of Asaph 

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Judges as Gods

While the El is used of God it can also be used of humans as seen here:

Psa 82:1  A Psalm of Asaph.   God H430  standeth   in the congregation of the mighty; H410 he judgeth  among  the gods. H430

H430  is ‘ĕlôhı̂ym

el-o-heem’

Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: – angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Congregation of the MIGHTY or ‘EL’ i.e. referring to judges.

Psa 82:6  I have said, Ye are GODS (H430 ); and all of you are children of the most High.

Psa 82:7  But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

This is also the Psalm Jesus quotes from when he claimed that he and the Father were one, not physically but as a judge who had received authority and word from God.

So, Jesus is god not in the sense of the being the one true God, but a god who will be exalted to power like the judges were. Jesus is the greatest of judges.

2. A Lament over Pharaoh and Egypt – Mighty Gods

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Gods?

Eze 32:21  The strongH410  among the mightyH1368  shall speak

Compare the very same words for mighty and God used in Isa 9:6

The mightyH1368God, H410

Background

Eze 32:2  “Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him: “You consider yourself a lion of the nations, but you are like a dragon in the seas; you burst forth in your rivers, trouble the waters with your feet, and foul their rivers.

Eze 32:11  “For thus says the Lord GOD: The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon you.

Eze 32:17  In the twelfth year, in the twelfth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:

Eze 32:18  “Son of man, wail over the multitude of Egypt, and send them down, her and the daughters of majestic nations, to the world below, to those who have gone down to the pit:

Eze 32:19  ‘Whom do you surpass in beauty? Go down and be laid to rest with the uncircumcised.’

Eze 32:20  They shall fall amid those who are slain by the sword. Egypt is delivered to the sword; drag her away, and all her multitudes.

Eze 32:21  The MIGHTY GODS shall speak of them, with their helpers, out of the midst of Sheol: ‘They have come down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’

Eze 32:22  “Assyria is there, and all her company, its graves all around it, all of them slain, fallen by the sword,

As can seen above, Egyptian rules/powers, though un-appointed by YHWH, take on this Hebrew title of El. How much more then Jesus the son of God, appointed by God to be judge or god of the world.

3. Angels bore God’s NAME and TITLE:

This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. (Acts 7:35 KJV)

God appointed an angel to act on his behalf and gave the angel full authority as seen here:

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. (Exodus 23:20-23 KJV)

  • I send an ANGEL before thee
  • Obey his voice
  • He will not pardon your transgressions
  • ‘for my NAME is in him’ — So God designates his Angel to his bidding.

Now this Angel though he bears the name of God is still an angel of God and worships his God. In the same way even though Jesus bore the Father’s name, Jesus still worships his God!

YHWH is the Almighty God

When Abram was ninety-nine years old, Yahweh appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am God Almighty. Walk before me, and be blameless.  (Gen 17:1)

I.e. I am Ěl Shaddai.

YHWH is the Almighty God, that is, he is God of all including Jesus. Jesus is the servant, son, messenger of YHWH who he honoured.

This is Jesus’ testimony:

Joh 20:17  Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.

The prophecy

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

  • The prophecy is future
  • This prophecy will be fulfilled after the birth of the Messiah
  • The prophecy concerns the rulership/kingship of the son and concerning a future ‘government’ in which he will be a mighty God or Mighty Ruler.
  • Everlasting Father concerns the resurrection and Jesus, being firstborn from the dead gives rise to an immortal race. Adam is the Father of the mortal race, but Jesus would be the Father of the immortal race.
  • The new government will be just and focussed on peace.

Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on David’s throne, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

Prophecies concerning this coming kingdom:

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge between the nations, and shall reprove many peoples: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isa 11:3-5 His delight will be in the fear of Yahweh. He will not judge by the sight of his eyes, neither decide by the hearing of his ears; but with righteousness he will judge the poor, and decide with equity for the humble of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips he will kill the wicked. Righteousness will be the belt of his waist, and faithfulness the belt of his waist.

Psa 2:7-9 I will tell of the decree. Yahweh said to me, “You are my son. Today I have become your father. Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron. You shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

My Lord and My God

Thomas’ remarkable confession brings two prophecies together:

Jesus as Lord

Psa 110:1  A Psalm by David. Yahweh says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.”

Peter explained this prophecy as

Act 2:34  For David didn’t ascend into the heavens, but he says himself, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit by my right hand,

Act 2:35  until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’

Act 2:36  “Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Like Joseph was made Lord over his brothers, so also God YHWH has made Jesus lord over both his enemies and all mankind.

Jesus was not Lord of his own will or ability but was made Lord by his God.

At the resurrection, Thomas acknowledged Jesus as the Christ and Lord.

Jesus as God

Psa 45:6-7  Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.

This is a prophecy how Jesus inherits the title of God because he would be seated at the right hand of God.

“Sit by my right hand”

This prophecy clearly shows Jesus as god has YHWH as his God whom he trust and loves. YHWH is the one who anoints Jesus with the oil of gladness above his fellows.

Beliefs of the Disciples – YHWH is/was the God of Jesus

The disciples recognised the rulership title of Jesus as ‘god’ and ‘lord’ and his relationship with the One true Almighty God as seen in the following verses:

Rom 15:6-7 that with one accord you may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus ChristTherefore accept one another, even as Christ also accepted you, to the glory of God.

2Co 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;

2Co 11:31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, he who is blessed forever more,

Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ;

Eph 1:17  that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;

1Pe 1:3  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Rev 1:4-6 John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from God, who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood; and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Rev 2:7  He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of my God.

Rev 3:2  Wake up, and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God.

Rev 3:12  He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

A detailed review of Jesus’ divine title

Psalms 110:1 and the divine title

A simple analogy:

1. Mathew works for a company.

2. Mathew and Luke report to John (their CEO)

3. One day when Luke walks into the CEO’s office he finds Mathew in the CEO’s seat!

4. What happened? Mathew has been promoted to CEO!

5. John was the owner of the company and CEO is still the owner of the company but has appointed a new CEO

This was the prophecy concerning the Christ, that he would share God’s seat!

Yahweh says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.” – Psalms 110:1

The prophecy was that ‘someone’ would be seated at the very right hand of God.

Now if someone is actually seated on the very throne of God (not replacing Yahweh of course), then he has indeed inherited the title of God in terms of authority and power.

‘Sit at my right hand’ – This is a very big deal because Jesus though a mere Jew has been exalted above everyone including angles (but excluding Yahweh who exalted him)

Mark 16:19   So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken unto them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.

Now Jesus was resurrected to eternal life i.e. he attains an immortal body and shares in the immortal nature of God and his angels.

I.e. He is exalted to sit in the very throne of God.

Here is Peter’s witness:

Act 2:34  For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Act 2:35  Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.

Act 2:36  Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified.

Peter refers to the prophecy and explains that:

God hath “MADE” him both LORD and CHRIST

The key is whatever Jesus is is because of Yahweh!

Here is another passage about Jesus’ inheritance:

Heb 1:2  hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, whom he appointed HEIR of all things

Keywords:

‘APPOINTED’ and ‘HEIR’

The ‘son of God’ was raised the son o God and was begotten eternally from the grave through resurrection inherited the throne of his Father.

Here is a new way to look at the Christmas story: It is how a man will inherits God’s title and authority or inherit divine attributes:

Heb 2:9  But we behold him who hath been MADE a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honour, that by the grace of God he should taste death for every man.

Is Jesus still expecting something in the prophecy to be still fulfilled?

Heb 10:13  from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made the footstool of his feet.

A man sitting in the very throne of God is a bit foreign but, I hope you will also share the throne of God with the Father and his son as Jesus has promised:

Rev 2:26  And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:

Rev 2:27  and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father:

Reflect on the phrase: ‘ I give authority over the nations’ and ‘as I also have received of my Father’

The problem is most christians read only this bit: ‘ I give authority over the nations’ but throughout scriptures Jesus always has a God: yesterday, today and forever‘.

‘ I give authority over the nations’

But Jesus also clearly says he received this authority from his God:  ‘as I also have received of my Father’

Therefore he has inherited attributes of God!

Finally:

Rev 3:21  He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.

Why should God gives so much glory to a mere Jew:

So we see Christ in the scriptures was a very glorified figure, but when he was revealed he was a simple man born to a poor family.

1 When Jesus would have read the prophecies concerning himself it may have overwhelmed him with sorrow and joy, sorrow for the suffering that was before him and the joy because of the glory to follow:

Heb 12:2  looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

‘who for the joy that was set before him’ – think about his phrase!

2 No man can be obedient to the Father beyond death!

Php 2:8  and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

Php 2:9  Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;

2 Jesus’ righteousness:

Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus sacrifice was he gave his life as a living sacrifice trusting his God would raise him up – not just death but righteous living.

3 He 100% did God’s will

Heb 10:7  Then said I, Lo, I am come (In the roll of the book it is written of me) To do thy will, O God.

4 Jesus put his trust and faith  in his God:

Heb 5:7  Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear,

Heb 5:8  though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;

Heb 5:9  and having been MADE perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

Think on these phrases:

‘been MADE perfect’

‘unto him that was able to save him from death’ – I.e. Jesus himself needed to be saved first before he becomes the pattern of saving for others!

‘prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him’ – Jesus prays & trusts his God!

His life and death has become the way of salvation for man to follow!

How Jesus inherits divine attributes: – (Few more verses)

1.

Joh 5:26  For as the Father hath life in himself, even so GAVE he to the Son also to have life in himself:

The father is the ancient of days & hath life in himself originally essentially & independently from all eternity, & hath given the son to have life in himself.

Now since the son inherits this, he is able to give eternal life to others.

Jesus claimed that he obtained this from the Father! I accept this as the framework for my interpretation!

Trinitarian framework misses this and denies this!

Jesus has inherited divine attributes, but when other verses are taken out of this context, it leads to a very different story!

2.

Father has supreme knowledge and the Son derives knowledge from his Father:

The father hath knowledge & prescience in himself & communicates knowledge & prescience to the son. We see Jesus even after ascending to heaven depends on the Father for knowledge. It is God who gives Jesus the prophecy which he shares with John via an angel.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,  (Revelation 1:1 KJV)

Reflect on ‘which God gave unto him

But we commonly think of Revelation as from John or Jesus, but an Angel and Jesus’ God were also involved.

3.

Joh 5:30  I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Jesus says he is nothing and gives glory to God!

Reflect on: “I can of myself do nothing”

But it is true that Jesus receives/inherits from his Father and therefore all the Father has is his!

Reflect on: ‘ I seek not mine own will’

Do the Gods within the trinity have different wills? Jesus as a humans is laying aside his personal ambitions to glorify his God.

Jesus says:

a. I can of myself do nothing: as I hear

b. I seek not mine own will

c. judgment is righteous because?

d. ‘sent me’ – God sent Jesus like he has sent prophets before him

Jesus is very careful to give glory to God, but the trinitarian framework of interpretation will not let you see the obvious!

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