Reason 27 of 100 [If he called them GOD, unto whom the word of God came and the word was God]

God generally regards any ‘MAN’ a ‘GOD’ if he has received the word of God to teach others. When one speaks the word or acts on the word of God they are representing the invisible God.

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Exo 7:1 I have made thee God to Pharaoh

Under the law the judges were GOD

Judges and officers shalt thou make thee in all thy gates, which Jehovah thy God giveth thee, according to thy tribes; and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment.” (Deuteronomy 16:18 ASV)

Moses and Jethro

Moses and Jethro

Why do you sit alone, and all the people stand around you from morning till evening? – Jethro (Exo 18:14)

Judges were appointed to judge on behalf of God, so their judgments were like that of God’s i.e. “for the judgment is God’s”:

“So I took the heads of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, and captains of fifties, and captains of tens, and officers, according to your tribes. And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between a man and his brother, and the sojourner that is with him. Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; ye shall hear the small and the great alike; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God’s: and the cause that is too hard for you ye shall bring unto me, and I will hear it. “ (Deuteronomy 1:15-17 ASV)

Having established judges were appointed to judge the people, they are called “God” because they meditated on behalf of God:

“If a man shall deliver unto his neighbor money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man’s house; if the thief be found, he shall pay double. If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall come near unto God, to see whether he have not put his hand unto his neighbor’s goods. For every matter of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, whereof one saith, This is it, the cause of both parties shall come before God (‘ĕlôhı̂ym); he whom God (‘ĕlôhı̂ym) shall condemn shall pay double unto his neighbor.”
(Exodus 22:7-9 ASV)
Notice how in verse 9 the word for “God” (‘ĕlôhı̂ym) is translated by KJV as “Judges” below:

“For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.” (Exodus 22:9 KJV)

Similarly, in other parts of scriptures the human judges assume the title “GOD” because they mediate on behalf of Him. Their judgment was final and had to be honoured. Notice how in the three translations that follow how the word judges and gods and God are used interchangeably:

  • “But if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: then his master shall bring him unto God (‘ĕlôhı̂ym), and shall bring him to the door, or unto the door-post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.” (Exodus 21:5-6 ASV)
  • “Then his master is to take him to the gods of the house, and at the door, or at its framework, he is to make a hole in his ear with a sharp-pointed instrument; and he will be his servant for ever.” (Exodus 21:6 BBE)
  • “Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.” (Exodus 21:6 KJV)

When referring to a human judge there is confusion among the translators as seen again in Samuel:

“If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.” (1 Samuel 2:25 KJV) “If one man does wrong to another, God will be his judge: but if a man’s sin is against the Lord, who will take up his cause? But they gave no attention to the voice of their father, for it was the Lord’s purpose to send destruction on them.” (1 Samuel 2:25 BBE)

Finally Exo 22:28 is translated as follows by different versions

(ASV)   Thou shalt not revile God, nor curse a ruler of thy people.
(BBE) You may not say evil of the judges, or put a curse on the ruler of your people.
(DRB)   Thou shalt not speak ill of the gods, and the prince of thy people thou shalt not curse.
(KJV)   Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Paul quotes from the above verse thus:

Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. (Acts 23:5 KJV)

So if a human including Jesus is titled God that does make him GOD ALMIGHTY rather a Judge or representative of God on earth.

Angels are Gods or Mighty Ones

Notice how the same word used for God (‘ĕlôhı̂ym), has been translated as angels(aggelos) in the greek reference of the same passage in the letter to the Hebrews:

  • “What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him but little lower than God, And crownest him with glory and honor.” (Psalms 8:4-5 ASV)
  • “But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels (aggelos); Thou crownedst him with glory and honor, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:” (Hebrews 2:6-7 ASV)

The interpretation is that humans were created like angels but mortal in nature. Jesus was made/created like the angels but because of his obedient life was made higher than the angels.

You are GOD

Now there is only ONE God – Yahweh or Jehovah. But, we have seen that judges have been called God. Moses is also called God, etc. So if Jesus is referred to as God then it does not imply that he is God himself in the literal sense but that he is “God sent”.

When Jesus said:
“ I and the Father are one” he is speaking of the spiritual. Unfortunately so many christians understand this to be physical and miss the whole point of Jesus’ existence. Here is the context in which Jesus spoke:

Joh 10:25  Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believe not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, these bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26  But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep.
Joh 10:27  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28  and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29  My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than ALL; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
Joh 10:30  I and the Father are one.
Joh 10:31  The Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are GOD?
Joh 10:35  If he called them GOD, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36  say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37  If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38  But if I do them, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

If you see how Jesus mediated on behalf of God, then the following points become very evident:

  1. He give God his Father the glory (“the works that I do in my Father’s name”)
  2. He acknowledged God as his Father, which was the plain truth and like any Father Son relationship according to the law, the son honour’s the Father and is obedient to him. The Father is greater than the son. (“My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all”, “I have shown you many good works from my Father”)
  3. Jesus here is emphasizing that God was on his side and that like any prophet of old he was delivering God’s words and not his own made up words. If it were his own words then he would be a false prophet. (“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came”)
  4. Even Aaron and Miriam tried to oppose Moses’ authority and Miriam was struck with leprosy. Jesus was a prophet greater than Moses. Moses and God were “one” in their relationship – They were Friends. When Moses gave the law he was not giving his own law but God’s law. So if God spoke or Moses spoke the same words would come out. It is in this context that Jesus is speaking of “oneness”
  5. Jesus himself explains that he is claiming to be the SON of God by making the statement “I and the Father are one” (“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken), say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”)
  6. “If he called them GOD” – This concept of God manifestation and mediatorship is completely misunderstood by the “trinity” believing christians and the Jews of his time. Jesus clearly explains anyone is GOD who receives the word of God to transmit to others: (“If he called them God (Greek theh’-os), unto whom the word of God (Greek theh’-os) came”)

It amazes me that Jesus though he claims/appeals that he is the Son of God, trinitarians insist that he is claiming –  ‘God the son’:

“say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:36 ASV)

“Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are (theh’-os)?”

Word made Flesh

Jesus was the transmitter of the word of God by not mere teachings but by his whole life. He was the living word of God in the form of human flesh. Therefore John introduces Jesus in his gospel as the “WORD OF GOD” made flesh. Jesus was specially crafted as the second Adam – A new creation.

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“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.” (John 1:1-3 ASV)

In the beginning was the Word

Now the word or the purpose of God was about the anointed one showing the way to God. He created the world because of Jesus.

  • John says that Jesus existed prior to becoming human in the FORM of a WORD. He had no physical existence. This word or thought or dream or purpose or reason of God was finally made flesh in the human form of Jesus Christ around AD 1.

The Word was with God

Moses told the children o Israel (when people insisted that they do not want to see the fire of God or hear the voice of God himself.)

“when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ And the LORD said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-18 ESV)

YWHW Elohim spoke of a time when he would put his WORD in the mouth of a prophet. This word was already with God. What God had to say in the future was already on his mind, but the time was not yet to reveal those words.

The problem was the children of Israel unlike Moses were unable to develop a friendship with their awesome God. They feared him and wanted to avoid him. Moses on the other hand loved him and wanted to get closer to him.

Since people fear the voice of the INVISIBLE God, prophets are chosen to mediate on behalf of God. This was a prophecy of the great prophet who would rise after Moses – one even greater than Moses.

John’s opening words actually states that the logos’ was in existence from the beginning i.e. thoughts – the thoughts or words of God waiting to manifest into human life. So these verses show Jesus did not have a physical existence as many Christians suppose, rather Jesus existed in MIND of God.

Consider the prophecies concerning Jesus – i.e. How Jesus existed as the Logos/purpose/plan of God:

Gen 22:18  and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Psa 2:7-8 I will tell of the decree. Yahweh said to me, “You are my son. Today I have become your father. Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession.

Isa 11:1  And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit:

etc

This word existed from the beginning and was with God and was shared in bits and pieces to the prophets till ‘it’ finally came alive in human flesh through the virgin Mary.

The word was God or (God was that word – Wycliffe’s Bible)

The way Jesus MANIFESTED the word of God was:

  • ‘And I will put my words in his mouth’
  • he shall speak to them all that I command him

YHWH Elohim looked forward to the time when his word/purpose/reason would come to life through a prophet like Moses from among their brothers.

Jesus the prophet of God fulfilled this prophecy as he mediated on behalf of God:

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, “ (1Ti 2:5 ESV)

Often Christians see the mediator role of Christ as a prayer bearer, as if God is unable to hear prayers directly as he once did under the old covenant. The emphasis of John 1:1 is that the word would be transmitted from God to man directly through the life of a living man and not in tablets of stone.

While the 10 commandments given to Moses were written on tablets of stone, God’s purpose with using Jesus was to communicate his MIND through a human example. The law used bulls and lambs as examples of defect less or blameless living but the Christ was a human example of defect less living.

Jesus revealed the Father’s mind and character to the world by word and deed. Where Moses had failed to honour God on occasion the son of God honoured his Father at all times.

The gospel record is about Jesus as the living word of God leading us to God. One example of how Jesus taught about his Father:

“So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.” (Matthew 18:12-14)

See more here:

A more literal translation of the phrase in John 1:3, results in:

(ABP+)  In  the beginning  was   the  word,   and  the  word  was   with  God, and  God  was  the word

What John is saying is that the divine purpose or logos was was going to become real flesh and blood.

Translation by James Moffatt:

THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine.

The Logos was not Jesus yet, but the logos/purpose was with God. We know about God through what we call scriptures (Word of God), without which we cannot understand God. God’s word reveals the mind and divine purpose of the Creator.

The important point to note is that John introduces a very special purpose (logos) of God as being divine and of God. God’s word is divine. The words Moses spoke were also divine as they were of divine origin and not of Moses himself.

The Logos is personified as it introduces the divine origin/purpose that was to be manifest in the life of Jesus. The gospel records are about Jesus, so Jesus is introduced as the divine purpose of God in the gospel of John.

It is important to note that Jesus is not an eternally begotten God as trinity asserts, but Jesus is the word or divine purpose of God becoming man. Jesus attains immortality and goes to heaven on account of his obedience.

Also see this post on the day when Jesus was begotten:

Word became flesh

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Luke introduces the word becoming flesh as

wherefore also that which is to be born shall be called holy

The logos made flesh is ‘holy’ because it of God and from God.

Therefore also that which is to be born shall be called holy, the Son of God.

Because Jesus was created by the power of God’s spirit, the logos is called the son of God.

As Adam was divinely conceived and Eve by Adam and God so also Jesus was conceived by divine intervention. This did not make him half God/Half man, but only human.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us

Here is another record Jesus’ birth: – He is a created being – created with a divine purpose and was therefore holy:

Psa 8:4  What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psa 8:5  For thou hast made him but little lower than God, and crownest him with glory and honour.

In Hebrews, the above reads

Heb 2:9  But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus,

The author of Hebrews interprets Elohim as Angels.

To summarise Jesus was a DIVINE IDEA that took on human form through Mary by the will of the Father.

The purpose of the Word

Joh 1:9  The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world.

Jesus was the light i.e. spiritual light that leads those who follow that light to eternal life. The purpose of the divine logos was that it would be light for men to follow.

Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name:

Joh 1:13  who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Here we see another transformation. I.e. as the word became flesh, those who accepted the logos were also transformed to become the children of God as Jesus himself. Jesus’ title of sonship is shared with others, as they embrace the light in their lives. That light and word transforms us from darkness to light, from deeds of wickedness to deeds of righteousness.

An interpretation of John 1:1-18

Logos | John 1:1 | In the Beginning

INTRODUCTION

Logos: John 1:1-3
In the beginning there was an idea.
That idea was God’s and it was with God.
That Idea was divine as it was of divine origin.
This idea was with God from the very beginning even before the beginning of the world.
God created the heavens and the earth because of this idea. The creation would be vain if that idea was not conceived. This cosmos was created through this reasoning.
The Light: John 1:4.5
In this idea was life – even the power to give eternal life.
It was the true light for men.
When this idea was manifest to men, it shone brightly, but men rejected it because they loved darkness instead.
John’s work: John 1:6-8
Now God choose a man to bear witness of this true light. His name was John.
John’s work was to help people repent of their sins and turn them to the true light.
John was not the true light himself though he was a very righteous man. John was special to God but he was not the cause of creation.
The power of the divine idea was to transform us:  John 1:9-10
The divine idea was the true light. This light was about to be released to mankind.
Though the world was created because of this idea, and the idea came to life and was seen by men and dwelt among them, they could not recognise it.
It was God’s very special purpose and he revealed it to his own people, but they rejected it.
However, those that embraced this divine idea were accepted as special children of God.

CONTINUING

The idea comes to life: John 1:14
This idea became a human babe by the power of God and a woman. God begets a son, hence the Christ is called the son of God and the only begotten of God. The only begotten son – i.e. God’s desire to have his own son by a woman was satisfied, though all of his creation are his offspring.
And WoW, what a marvellous sight it was – a man full of truth and grace he turned out to be.
Spiritual men beheld the glory of this man and rejoiced in his presence. This was the idea God wanted to display to angels and mankind – a man full of grace and truth. God’s best creation ever.
Witness of John: John 1:15
The special one of God will supersede me. He is the true light of the world that God had in mind from the very beginning.
Contrasting the law: John 1:16-17
Now Moses gave a law that was true, just and holy – but it did not give eternal life.
Through the newly begotten man, the son of God, comes grace and truth that leads one to eternal life.
Through the new man has come a new law that is abundant in grace that leads one to streams of eternal life.
The authority of the newly begotten son: John 1:18
No one has ever seen God. No human has been more intimate with God than the one who emerged from the very thought of God.
The only begotten of God understands his ‘Father’ more than any one. As the ‘living word of God’ he declares to us the will of the Father.

THE CONCLUSION

The Testimony of John the Baptist –  Joh 1:34
“And I have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God”

Modern Spelling Tyndall Translation (‘it’)

1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God: and the word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made no thing, that was made. 4 In it was life; And the life was the light of men; 5 And the light shineth in the darkness, but the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came as a witness, to bear witness of the light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that light: but to bear witness of the light. 9 That was a true light, which lighteneth all men that come into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world by him was made: and yet the world knew him not. 11 He came among his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to be the sons of God: in that they believed on his name: 13 which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor yet of the will of man: but of God. 14 And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten son of the father, which word was full of grace, and verity. 15 John bare witness of him and cried, saying, “This was he of whom I spake, which though he came after me, went before me: for he was before me.” 16 And of his fullness have all we received, even grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time. The only begotten son, which is in the father’s bosom, hath declared him. – http://studybible.info/MSTC/John
Cross references:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Psa 33:6By Yahweh’s word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth.

Contrasting John’s own interpretation with his gospel record: 1John 1

The Word of Life

1Jn 1:1  That which was from the beginning,

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Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word,

1Jn 1:1  concerning the Word of life

  • In the word of God is eternal life.
  • We know God by his word.
  • We know the will of God through his words.

Word became flesh

1Jn 1:1  that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled,

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Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.

In Hindu religion God’s do incarnate, but in Christianity the word of God incarnates as flesh.

God causes this to happen in that he created a son via Mary thereby fulfilling Moses’ prophecy ‘God will raise up a prophet like me’

The Word was with God / which was with the Father

1Jn 1:2   which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

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Joh 1:1  and the Word was with God

Eternal life was with the Father and has been manifested through Jesus the son of man.Not that Jesus was a spirit being but exited conceptually or spiritually as‘word’, ‘life’, ‘light’ with God and these abstract perfections took on human form i.e. flesh and blood.

Common misunderstanding of this verse is ‘God was with God’!

Word is personified as wisdom was personified as a woman earlier on who was with God, but wisdom is not a Goddess!

Translation/Interpretation possibilities:

“which was with the Father” / “In the beginning was the word, it was with God”

In ‘it’ was life (Modern Spelling Tyndall Translation has ‘it’)

1Jn 1:2  and the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare unto you the life, the eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

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Joh 1:4  In it was life; And the life was the light of men;

John in his epistles gives a simple interpretation of his gospel record. The introductions match.

God’s light was manifest in the man Jesus!

The plan of salvation was such that God’s word and light was to be fulfilled/satisfied through a man. God caused a man to fulfil this thereby by proving that the man who God created can indeed be good. What Jesus demonstrated in his life was how men ought to live a life according to God’s word, light and love.

Purpose

1Jn 1:3  that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you also, that ye also may have fellowship with us: yea, and our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ:

1Jn 1:4  and these things we write, that our joy may be fulfilled.

Fellowship is with two distinct beings: Father AND the son (the son who who has been recently manifested.)

One is a eternal spirit being – Elohim Yahweh, the other his son was his word that was made flesh and himself attained eternal life.

The word was God

What God intends is reflected through his word and therefore the word is as God is or the ‘word was God’.

So also it follows that light was with God and light was God.

If

“God is light” 1Jn 1:5 

then

“Light is God”

But, God is literally not the light we see of a tube light. So, these have to be understood in their respective spiritual contexts.

‘what God was, the Word was‘ – NEB translation

‘what God was, the Word was‘ NEB translation easily explains the plan and the purpose of God manifest in human flesh – i.e. What God wanted – the son fulfilled, i.e. The will of God was manifest in the face of Jesus.

The widely accepted decision not to make any distinction between articulated ‘HO THEOS’ and unarticulated ‘THEOS’ in John 1:1 is unfortunate because it is biased.

Summary

The Scriptures already taught (In Jesus own words of Unitarian style interpretation):

“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken” – John 10:35 RV

Notice how ‘THEOS’ or GOD, the exact same word used in John 1:1 is interpreted – i.e. translated by bibles with lower cases. Further it is made plural to establish the context. This is a bias.

In the same spirit of translating John 1:1, John 10:25 should be translated as:

If he called them God (theos), unto whom the word of God (theos) came (and the scripture cannot be broken)

The concept of calling someone/anyone GOD because they had received the WORD of God was not new. Jesus quotes from scriptures (Old testament writings) to teach us about the divinity of people possessing the word of God.

Psa 82:6 I said, Ye are ‘Elôhı̂ym, and all of you sons of the Most High.

If Psalms 82 is understood, then John 1:1 is easier to interpret in the context of scriptures that Jesus himself used to deny the trinity. Now Jesus was more ”Elôhı̂ym‘ than the judges of Psalm 82 who did not do right, but Jesus was sanctified for the explicit purpose to win over people to God:

Joh 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

All four gospels teach that Jesus was the son of God. They do not teach that Jesus was part of a trinity.

  • Mar 1:1  The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

  • Joh 20:31  but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

  • Luk 1:35  And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

  • Mat 27:54  When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!

The significance of God’s Logos

Joh 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my logos, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.

Joh 8:51  Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my logos, he shall never see death.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy logos is truth.

Joh 17:14 I have given them thy logos;

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my logos: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Appendix

1. Elohim usage in Psalms 82

Let us now consider Psalms 82 (from Young’s Literal Translation) from which Jesus quoted on how humans take on the title of God:

A Psalm of Asaph.

God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.

Till when do ye judge perversely? And the face of the wicked lift up? Selah.

Judge ye the weak and fatherless, The afflicted and the poor declare righteous. Let the weak and needy escape, From the hand of the wicked deliver them. They knew not, nor do they understand, In darkness they walk habitually, Moved are all the foundations of earth.
I–I have said, `Gods ye are , And sons of the Most High–all of you,

But as man ye die, and as one of the heads ye fall, Rise, O God, judge the earth, For Thou hast inheritance among all the nations! (Psalms 82:1-8 YLT)

Though people are titled GOD, they are still mortal and die. The same fate also came upon Jesus even though he also was titled ‘God’ and died. The Judges are criticized in the above Psalm for not doing their duties justly, but Jesus as the righteous Judge or ‘Elohim‘ fulfilled the will of God.

2. Difficulties in Greek – NEB rendering

The text of John 1:1 has a sordid past and a myriad of interpretations. With the Greek alone, we can create empathic, orthodox, creed-like statements, or we can commit pure and unadulterated heresy. From the point of view of early church history, heresy develops when a misunderstanding arises concerning Greek articles, the predicate nominative, and grammatical word order. The early church heresy of Sabellianism understood John 1:1c to read, “and the Word was the God.” The early church heresy of Arianism understood it to read, “and the word was a God.” — David A. Reed[18]

Variations of rendering John 1:1 also exist:

  • 14th century: “In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word” – Wycliffe’s Bible (translated from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate)
  • 1808: “and the Word was a god” – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
  • 1822: “and the Word was a god” – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
  • 1955: “so the Word was divine” – The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.

“The widely accepted decision not to make any distinction between articulated ‘HO THEOS’ and unarticulated ‘THEOS’ apparent in this context is not very good either because it seems not to represent the gospel writer’s intention adequately.” – http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/1161/in-john-11c-should-the-greek-word-θεὸς-be-translated-into-english-as-a-god-o

NEB rendering

The New English Bible (NEB) is a translation of the Bible into modern English directly from the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts (and from Latin for 2 Esdras in the Apocrypha). The New Testament was published in 1961. The Old Testament (along with the Apocrypha) was published in 1970.

NEB John 1: 1 – 3

When all things began, the Word already was. The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was. The Word, then, was with God at the beginning, and through him all things came to be; no single thing was created without him.

what God was, the Word was.‘ easily explains the plan and the purpose of God manifest in human flesh – i.e. What God wanted the son fulfilled, i.e. The will of God was manifest in the face of Jesus.
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
He that has seen the the son has seen the Father, not literally, because the Father does not have ‘blue’ eyes like the European Jesus, but Jesus was speaking spiritually!
Significance of the logos:
Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,they are spirit, and they are life.
The WORD of God is spirit and life and those very words were made flesh!

When you search for the God Jesus in the OT pages you will not find him, this is because as John 1 explains he was in the mind of God and was known to God through fore knowledge:

1Pe 1:20  Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Was the Lamb slain at the foundation of the world? No. Yet we are told he was:

Rev 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Jesus was the cause of the universe, but God caused Jesus to come into existence (Word was MADE flesh)

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2 thoughts on “Reason 27 of 100 [If he called them GOD, unto whom the word of God came and the word was God]

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